Comments - Harry Potter rant - Maximum Ride Unofficial Community2024-03-29T12:54:16Zhttp://flockforum.ning.com/profiles/comment/feed?attachedTo=2971573%3ABlogPost%3A86054&xn_auth=noI'm definitely Slytherin. Lik…tag:flockforum.ning.com,2011-01-01:2971573:Comment:876382011-01-01T05:15:55.595ZDevil's Sunrisehttp://flockforum.ning.com/profile/DevilsSunrise
I'm definitely Slytherin. Like, without a doubt. I'm nice, but I'm also coldhearted and mean when it suits me.
I'm definitely Slytherin. Like, without a doubt. I'm nice, but I'm also coldhearted and mean when it suits me. Hufflepuffs FTW!
I've alwa…tag:flockforum.ning.com,2010-12-27:2971573:Comment:875462010-12-27T21:16:49.254ZNighthawkhttp://flockforum.ning.com/profile/Nighthawk
<p>Hufflepuffs FTW! </p>
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<p>I've always been proud to be a Hufflepuff. And yeah, I'm a little pissed about the fact that everyone thinks we're "A lot of duffers" and that the two minor characters from our house both died. I like being the friendly person that can get along with everyone, who helps people out all the time. My grades aren't terrible, and I have a dark side sometimes, too. </p>
<p>Most of my family and some of my friends are in Griffindor, but the majority of my friends…</p>
<p>Hufflepuffs FTW! </p>
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<p>I've always been proud to be a Hufflepuff. And yeah, I'm a little pissed about the fact that everyone thinks we're "A lot of duffers" and that the two minor characters from our house both died. I like being the friendly person that can get along with everyone, who helps people out all the time. My grades aren't terrible, and I have a dark side sometimes, too. </p>
<p>Most of my family and some of my friends are in Griffindor, but the majority of my friends are in Ravenclaw. My sister, boyfriend, and one of my friends are in Slytherin. I'm the only Hufflepuff I know. </p> I have a problem with the hou…tag:flockforum.ning.com,2010-12-11:2971573:Comment:867822010-12-11T23:18:56.410ZOmegahttp://flockforum.ning.com/profile/Omega
<p>I have a problem with the house system too.</p>
<p>Rowling brought up two class systems (blood and houses), and used them as central themes in her novels. The two do intersect, but tend to intersect more in relation to Slytherins. Slytherins are supposed to be cunning and ambitious. They're also usually portrayed as being pureblooded, with the occasional half-blood being acceptable like Riddle, or Harry if he'd sorted that way.</p>
<p>A lot of people seemed to think that this was a moral…</p>
<p>I have a problem with the house system too.</p>
<p>Rowling brought up two class systems (blood and houses), and used them as central themes in her novels. The two do intersect, but tend to intersect more in relation to Slytherins. Slytherins are supposed to be cunning and ambitious. They're also usually portrayed as being pureblooded, with the occasional half-blood being acceptable like Riddle, or Harry if he'd sorted that way.</p>
<p>A lot of people seemed to think that this was a moral -</p>
<p>Death Eaters spout blood purity -> Death Eaters are evil -> Therefore blood purity is evil kind of thing -> we shouldn't treat people based on some class system. And that's fine and brilliant, and a nice way of teaching kiddies that racism is bad.</p>
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<p>Except, Rowling actually seems to think that the words Slytherin and Death Eater are interchangeable - (And they're not).She actually seems to believe that while blood purity is unacceptable, that her house class system is, and that Gryffs really are better than anyone else!</p>
<p>That Hufflepuffs /are/ a lot of useless duffers, and that Ravenclaws (Or the Hermione's of the world, except she's kind of okay because she's not really a Ravenclaw, she's a Gryffindor) are only good for researching stuff while the Gryff's run off and be 'the hero'.</p>
<p>Compare Malfoy's 'Mudbloods suck', with Ron's 'Slytherins are evil' - both sound annoyingly similar and illreasoned. But Rowling has spun it so that what Malfoy says is wrong, however, what Ron's saying must be right because he's the sidekick.</p>
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<p>Why would you want to separate children at age eleven, into groups where everyone has a few defining personality traits, and then let these traits be reinforced over the next seven years? Not exactly a way of turning out well balanced individuals who -</p>
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<p>Can come up with a plan (ambition)</p>
<p>Research it (intelligence)</p>
<p>Go ahead and do it (courage)</p>
<p>And persevere until it's done. (hardworking-ness)</p>
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<p>But then, Wizarding society as it is portrayed by Rowling is so fucking screwed up</p>
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<p>What actual self-respecting cunning, ambitious person would allow themselves to be sorted into a house where they will be labelled as and treated if they are 'dark/evil/blood purists/death eater spawn', thus inhibiting their chances of profitable working relationships with ~3/4 of the wizarding population?</p>
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<p>For that reason, I'd never allow myself to be sorted Slytherin. Ravenclaw seems like the best alternative, because - 'wit beyond measure..' Wit =/= cunning, but similar enough to convince an enchanted headpiece.</p>
<p> </p> 2) Just because it's a groupi…tag:flockforum.ning.com,2010-12-06:2971573:Comment:863372010-12-06T02:00:03.177ZEndOfTheEarthhttp://flockforum.ning.com/profile/EndOfTheEarth
2) Just because it's a grouping, doesn't mean that it's segregation. Now, if their being in those houses actively affected their personal well-being, then yes, it's segregation. However, as I pointed out, everyone has equal privileges with regards to utilization of school resources, and no cases are developed in which they are prone to want to beat each other over a real-world goal. The house cup and quiddich cups have no real application other than temporary presige--at the end of the year,…
2) Just because it's a grouping, doesn't mean that it's segregation. Now, if their being in those houses actively affected their personal well-being, then yes, it's segregation. However, as I pointed out, everyone has equal privileges with regards to utilization of school resources, and no cases are developed in which they are prone to want to beat each other over a real-world goal. The house cup and quiddich cups have no real application other than temporary presige--at the end of the year, who cares? Compare to countries and the Olympics.<br />
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3) This due to something in psychology called the Mere Exposure Effect, which is to say that the more often you see something in one location, the more you get used to it, and, in fact, prefer it. These people live together, of course they are more likely to form relationships. Like any pattern, it has outliers, and like you inferred, a few people do go into other houses.<br />
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4) True though your points are, they would be divergent from the system. Perhaps Tonks, like Cedric, was closer to the chart origin, hence the fact that they have some degree of aggressiveness in relation to their grouped peers.<br />
However, for all points and purposes, Cedric is a boring commoner who gained some recognition for his role in a school quiddich team, and who was apparently randomly picked for the TWT. If you read his wiki profile, especially with regards to the game against Harry in book 3, you will see that the chart remains accurate. Besides, if anything, he proves that the random good person can have his limelight moment too. 1. Fair enough. Also, Gryffin…tag:flockforum.ning.com,2010-12-06:2971573:Comment:863342010-12-06T01:40:21.776ZFakehttp://flockforum.ning.com/profile/FakerthanFang
1. Fair enough. Also, Gryffindoor has the whole, "You guys win for saving the world," schtick going on.<br />
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2. Segregating people via personality type is not healthy. Which is what they're doing.<br />
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3. Of course none of them are forced to stay in the same house for friendship and girlfriends. However, ultimately, most people do. Harry is friendly with far more people in his house than all the other houses combined (Slash fiction aside, of course.)<br />
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4. I understand that they're supposed to be the,…
1. Fair enough. Also, Gryffindoor has the whole, "You guys win for saving the world," schtick going on.<br />
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2. Segregating people via personality type is not healthy. Which is what they're doing.<br />
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3. Of course none of them are forced to stay in the same house for friendship and girlfriends. However, ultimately, most people do. Harry is friendly with far more people in his house than all the other houses combined (Slash fiction aside, of course.)<br />
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4. I understand that they're supposed to be the, "Normal," people. It just irks me how much hate they get. Let's face it, they gave us TONKS. It wouldn't hurt to have another badass who befriends Harry. Neville, for example, would have made an excellent hufflepuff-and would have single handedly saved the house from it's Scrappyism.<br />
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Also, are you saying that Cedric was a boring commoner? Here's the chart, to help you…tag:flockforum.ning.com,2010-12-06:2971573:Comment:863232010-12-06T01:24:35.193ZEndOfTheEarthhttp://flockforum.ning.com/profile/EndOfTheEarth
Here's the chart, to help you visualize it better.<br />
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Here's the chart, to help you visualize it better.<br />
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<p style="text-align: left;"><img src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3129529236?profile=original" alt=""/></p> Well, you've caught my attent…tag:flockforum.ning.com,2010-12-06:2971573:Comment:863202010-12-06T01:20:13.007ZEndOfTheEarthhttp://flockforum.ning.com/profile/EndOfTheEarth
Well, you've caught my attention, so I'm going to make this interesting and throw in arguments.<br />
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First, let me start by countering your house-cup argument. You admitted yourself that Slytherin was the most ambitious, therefore it should come as no surprise that they would find ways to win, even if the teachers didn't know if these ways were moral.<br />
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Next, let me counter your segregation comment by pointing out that it's a variation of the Least Restrictive Environment system, which is to say…
Well, you've caught my attention, so I'm going to make this interesting and throw in arguments.<br />
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First, let me start by countering your house-cup argument. You admitted yourself that Slytherin was the most ambitious, therefore it should come as no surprise that they would find ways to win, even if the teachers didn't know if these ways were moral.<br />
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Next, let me counter your segregation comment by pointing out that it's a variation of the Least Restrictive Environment system, which is to say that everyone is in a location both best suited to their personalities and (because there is magic involved, otherwise this goes kaput in real life) their predestined future paths. Indeed, the sorting is based off of main personality traits. Consider a comparison between the attitudes of Nevile and Luna, true, both are quite brilliant in their respective areas, but Nevile has shown himself to be able to retaliate actively, regardless of how it will affect his well being. Luna, on the other hand, is more passive, hence why she acts mostly as a follower.<br />
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And recall that none of the students are forcibly required to remain with their house. As you said, romances between houses do happen, as do friendships and alliances. In brief, any sort of segregation is self-imposed, and the way that the system is set up, one is prone to working towards making living conditions with those around them good. After all, points are given out for social duties and class participation. I don't think that test scores are involved. From that angle, it would be easy for students from any combination of houses to work together.<br />
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As for Hufflepuff...this is the product of an inaccurate representation of the 50% population, in short the normal, nice everyday people. Like in the news, not everyone is a politician, movie star, or college science professor...but we judge the rest of the planet as being dumb because we don't hear about it. So while the popular interpretation is wrong, it is only so due to the presence of bias--no one wants to associate themself with the boring commoner.<br />
That said, a really decent person doesn't always have the guts to do something incredibly stupid to get things done, this is where the aggressiveness of the Gryffindors and Slytherins come in.<br />
Imagine a 2-d graph for a moment. One goes from aggressive to passive, and one goes from social to apathetic. From there you get the four quadrants:<br />
G=Aggressive, social.<br />
S=Aggressive, apathetic<br />
H=Passive, social<br />
R=Passive, apathetic<br />
So there's nothing wrong with being Hufflepuff. It is, in fact, the best thing to be. However, it is also a dull life. People don't like the idea of a dull life...you see where I'm going by now, I hope. This also explains why the books are filled with G vs S, and H and R are mostly on the sidelines. :D
I'm fine with that.
It's…tag:flockforum.ning.com,2010-12-03:2971573:Comment:860712010-12-03T03:24:24.639ZFakehttp://flockforum.ning.com/profile/FakerthanFang
:D<br />
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I'm fine with that.<br />
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It's just the people who also think they're Saints who annoy me. >_>
:D<br />
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I'm fine with that.<br />
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It's just the people who also think they're Saints who annoy me. >_> If you’d like to think that y…tag:flockforum.ning.com,2010-12-03:2971573:Comment:860682010-12-03T03:22:43.176ZContradictionhttp://flockforum.ning.com/profile/GoodOmensSqueeFan
<i>If you’d like to think that your most defining feature is your intelligence, so be it. Sure, it means that you value your intelligence over you’re ambition and your kindness</i><br />
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*cough* I actually do. Calling myself outgoing, kind, friendly, or brave would be a blatant lie. I've always put myself in Ravenclaw or Slytherin for that reason.
<i>If you’d like to think that your most defining feature is your intelligence, so be it. Sure, it means that you value your intelligence over you’re ambition and your kindness</i><br />
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*cough* I actually do. Calling myself outgoing, kind, friendly, or brave would be a blatant lie. I've always put myself in Ravenclaw or Slytherin for that reason.